Comments on: Lameness and Locked Out http://vinofictions.com/2009/05/26/lameness-and-locked-out/ the blog that proves "in vino veritas" Thu, 09 Sep 2010 20:48:48 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.1 By: Mitch http://vinofictions.com/2009/05/26/lameness-and-locked-out/#comment-6432 Mitch Fri, 12 Jun 2009 17:55:13 +0000 http://vinofictions.com/2009/05/26/lameness-and-locked-out/#comment-6432 Apropos: "The market for wines over $50 a bottle has been virtually wiped out." March 26, 2009 Is there a Bubble in the Napa Valley? http://uncorkedfinance.wordpress.com/2009/03/26/is-there-a-bubble-in-the-napa-valley/ Apropos: “The market for wines over $50 a bottle has been virtually wiped out.”

March 26, 2009
Is there a Bubble in the Napa Valley?

http://uncorkedfinance.wordpress.com/2009/03/26/is-there-a-bubble-in-the-napa-valley/

]]> By: Mitch http://vinofictions.com/2009/05/26/lameness-and-locked-out/#comment-6428 Mitch Fri, 12 Jun 2009 16:37:33 +0000 http://vinofictions.com/2009/05/26/lameness-and-locked-out/#comment-6428 Sure seems like several formerly pivotal facets in the future wine scene will be a far cry from what they were a mere year ago: eBob, Bdx pricing/availability, over-leveraged wineries during this economic meltdown, fake wines and auctions. Its been quite a ride these past 12 months. Sure seems like several formerly pivotal facets in the future wine scene will be a far cry from what they were a mere year ago: eBob, Bdx pricing/availability, over-leveraged wineries during this economic meltdown, fake wines and auctions. Its been quite a ride these past 12 months.

]]> By: Henrik Koudahl http://vinofictions.com/2009/05/26/lameness-and-locked-out/#comment-6091 Henrik Koudahl Fri, 29 May 2009 18:49:56 +0000 http://vinofictions.com/2009/05/26/lameness-and-locked-out/#comment-6091 Well said Thomas! I totally agree. Well said Thomas! I totally agree.

]]> By: Thomas http://vinofictions.com/2009/05/26/lameness-and-locked-out/#comment-6057 Thomas Thu, 28 May 2009 21:41:21 +0000 http://vinofictions.com/2009/05/26/lameness-and-locked-out/#comment-6057 Keith, I understand your point about pretending not to be biased, but I'm sorry to say that has been the brand model for WA all along, and it has obviously slipped some. What is striking about this situation is the unbelievable stupidity and arrogance behind the way matters are handled, not to mention the blatant offense as defense approach. As for the Web site: we know that train was bound to one day go into a dark tunnel and not emerge at the other end, what with the way that thing has been 'moderated.' But then, site moderation must bring out certain types of people. I've witnessed barring, banning, and post and thread deletions on a number of so-called public wine forum sites. They aren't public and they don't want to be--they are what we call in the wine business 'cellar blind.' You are either with them or against them--God forbid, you have your own thoughts, and even worse if you actually have some knowledge to back up those thoughts. Keith,

I understand your point about pretending not to be biased, but I’m sorry to say that has been the brand model for WA all along, and it has obviously slipped some.

What is striking about this situation is the unbelievable stupidity and arrogance behind the way matters are handled, not to mention the blatant offense as defense approach.

As for the Web site: we know that train was bound to one day go into a dark tunnel and not emerge at the other end, what with the way that thing has been ‘moderated.’

But then, site moderation must bring out certain types of people. I’ve witnessed barring, banning, and post and thread deletions on a number of so-called public wine forum sites. They aren’t public and they don’t want to be–they are what we call in the wine business ‘cellar blind.’ You are either with them or against them–God forbid, you have your own thoughts, and even worse if you actually have some knowledge to back up those thoughts.

]]> By: Keith L. http://vinofictions.com/2009/05/26/lameness-and-locked-out/#comment-6052 Keith L. Thu, 28 May 2009 20:32:16 +0000 http://vinofictions.com/2009/05/26/lameness-and-locked-out/#comment-6052 Personally, I find the Wine Advocate's fetish for impartiality and independence silly. A writer who discloses his biases is far more trustworthy than a writer who pretends he has none. And Parker is wealthy enough and powerful enough that it's difficult to imagine any of the numerous perks of his position having any meaningful influence on his work. (I'm reminded of the rhyme: "You cannot hope to bribe or twist / (Thank God!) the British journalist / But seeing what the man will do / Unbribed, there's no occasion to.") There's so much criticism to be made of Parker on substance that any criticism of him on process is bound to look pretextual, and probably is. That said, Parker brought it on himself by investing so much of his brand identity and his personal reputation into his newsletter's standards for impartiality. I was almost starting to feel sorry for him that his friends were making him look so bad, but look how coldly he throws them under the bus when his reputation is at stake! http://dat.erobertparker.com/bboard/showthread.php?t=203068 Personally, I find the Wine Advocate’s fetish for impartiality and independence silly. A writer who discloses his biases is far more trustworthy than a writer who pretends he has none. And Parker is wealthy enough and powerful enough that it’s difficult to imagine any of the numerous perks of his position having any meaningful influence on his work. (I’m reminded of the rhyme: “You cannot hope to bribe or twist / (Thank God!) the British journalist / But seeing what the man will do / Unbribed, there’s no occasion to.”) There’s so much criticism to be made of Parker on substance that any criticism of him on process is bound to look pretextual, and probably is.

That said, Parker brought it on himself by investing so much of his brand identity and his personal reputation into his newsletter’s standards for impartiality. I was almost starting to feel sorry for him that his friends were making him look so bad, but look how coldly he throws them under the bus when his reputation is at stake! http://dat.erobertparker.com/bboard/showthread.php?t=203068

]]> By: Thomas http://vinofictions.com/2009/05/26/lameness-and-locked-out/#comment-6046 Thomas Thu, 28 May 2009 16:58:10 +0000 http://vinofictions.com/2009/05/26/lameness-and-locked-out/#comment-6046 Henrik, In the U.S., I believe the Wine Spectator scores have more clout in retail shops. RP scores are for the geeks whose view of wine is more like an expensive hobby than it is about enjoyment, and hobbyists seem always more concerned with trophies--or must-have things. Henrik,

In the U.S., I believe the Wine Spectator scores have more clout in retail shops. RP scores are for the geeks whose view of wine is more like an expensive hobby than it is about enjoyment, and hobbyists seem always more concerned with trophies–or must-have things.

]]> By: Henrik Koudahl http://vinofictions.com/2009/05/26/lameness-and-locked-out/#comment-6041 Henrik Koudahl Thu, 28 May 2009 14:36:27 +0000 http://vinofictions.com/2009/05/26/lameness-and-locked-out/#comment-6041 I still think with a big smile of the two old ladies, who was looking at wines in my former wineshop. The first lady ask to the other lady: "What does 97 points by Robert Parker means?" The other lady answered: I think thats point you collect to get discounts.!! For me it says everything. For most people doesn't Robert Parker means nothing. For the sale to the nerds great scoring from RP is good, but most sale in to the big group who doesn't care about RP. I still think with a big smile of the two old ladies, who was looking at wines in my former wineshop.
The first lady ask to the other lady: “What does 97 points by Robert Parker means?”

The other lady answered: I think thats point you collect to get discounts.!!

For me it says everything. For most people doesn’t Robert Parker means nothing. For the sale to the nerds great scoring from RP is good, but most sale in to the big group who doesn’t care about RP.

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